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Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 07:37:00 - [1] Afk cloakers make botters sad pandas.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 07:49:00 - [2] Originally by: Thornat But aren't you able to use combat probes to scan out a potential cloak ship? No.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 19/08/2011 08:15:31 Originally by: Thornat Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Thornat Ok so one more question. How does a single lone wolf cloaker pop anything? I mean strictly speaking I can't think of anything I fly a lone wolf cloaker could actually threaten. How exactly are these guys getting enough DPS to get through a PvE ship or ratting ship designed specifically for tanking damage (which I'm assuming is still the standard setup for PvE ships).? They fit cynos, natch. Well thats what I mean though. If we are talking about an operation where the stealth ship is using team mates to find and kill people in null and low sec.. I mean, isn't that why we have null and low sec, so that people can do exactly those types of things. The stealth ships primary purpose is .. stealth, a stealth pilots job is in fact to be the lead in many types of ops from theft ops, scouting ops, leads for suprise attacks etc... I still don't see where the "unfair advantage" comes into play here. As a lone stealth pilot you really are kind of useless for anything but observation.. with teamates.. ya of course they are an awsome way to set traps etc.. Botters absolutely hate afk cloakers. Go figure about the rage they cause. I mean how would you feel if you came home after a long days work to find your bot didn't get you any isk at all because it was permanently logged out due to an afk cloaker? Think of the botters.. Originally by: Igualmentedos WAAAHHHHH I can't PVE in complete safety. Jesus, when did the community become a bunch of twelve year-old girls? When botting software went mainstream in eve.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Signal11th Edited by: Signal11th on 19/08/2011 08:19:14 Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Signal11th Humm I know its really hard to organize and skill for but you could always use the fabled "bait" ship. lmao are you serious? It's called being proactive instead of docking up and whining in forums. Surely an alliance the size of Atlas can organize the baiting and killing of a lone cloaker even if he has a cyno. They don't want to do that. They want to keep the bots active and rolling in the isk. Afk cloakers totally ruin this so its far far easier to whinge on the forums and hope ccp nerfs cloaking.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Tokyo Rose They don't want to do that. They want to keep the bots active and rolling in the isk. Afk cloakers totally ruin this so its far far easier to whinge on the forums and hope ccp nerfs cloaking. Ironically, I've made billions off of cloaking. But I'd be lying if I said it took effort or was challenging in any real way. I made tens and tens of billions off farming fw missions in a stealth bomber. I bet my way was more challenging than setting a bot loose in nullsec farming rats.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Tokyo Rose I bet my way was more challenging than setting a bot loose in nullsec farming rats. You mean those bots that warp to a safe and go into AFK cloak mode? I'm sorry for your loss of profit.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: Signal11th It's called being proactive instead of docking up and whining in forums. Surely an alliance the size of Atlas can organize the baiting and killing of a lone cloaker even if he has a cyno. you do realise that "afk cloaker" isn't NPC here? You really sure you understand it? Just one question: how can you be sure that afk cloaker will aggro your bait ship? And when will it happen? Or you want to have your "bait command" 24/7 in this system? If i were play game "afk cloaker" and i found suspicious activity and "defensless" ship flying around hour by hour i would go afk for loooong time because this is obvious trap for me. I used to set a few of my alts in active nullsec station systems just to collect all the tears from the countless local and private convos asking wth was I up to and what was my problem disrupting their operations. It was a great passtime as I farmed fw missions.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 09:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 19/08/2011 09:18:43 Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Signal11th Not really, surely you have 5 or 10 people in your system that can drop ratting and suit up so to speak, ok you run the risk of getting hotdropped but in what 2 years in various places it happened once and people lost 4 ships whoppee. Okay let's play this scenario out because this isn't sinking in. We got an AFK cloaker in system and we have a strong fleet full of guys ready and waiting at a POS and hell even a titan ready to bridge into this system; billions of isk have been sunk into this project to kill a 40mil cyno-fit AFK Cloaker. So I'm sitting here in my tanked abaddon or whatever with a cyno of my own fit, as per your suggestion, warping from belt to belt, waiting along with dozens of guys to get this guy out of our system and defend our space against all comers, right? So we're waiting, and waiting, and waiting because, *oh yeah* this guy is AFK; asleep, or at work, or whatever while dozens of players and tons of hardware are being used for hours on end idling waiting for him to uncloak. After 4-5 or more hours, the fleet disbands having wasted everyone's time, time that could have been spent going on CTAs, or roaming, etc. Maybe we'll have better luck tomorrow and form another fleet hoping he's actually at his computer to even notice the bait ship. But probably not. I mean Signal, we've all had the idea of the dedicated "bait" ship to catch AFK cloakers at one point or another. I've been on several attempts at it But when you threw out the idea of "keep a super fleet on standby AFK cloaker" as a viable counterstrategy and proof that cloak is somehow balanced or whatever, I knew you were talking theorycraft there bud. Alternately you could just pve with cheap insured ships and not give a rats arse about the afk cloaker if he turns out to be hostile with a fleet waiting to cyno in on your ratting raven or mining covetor. The only thing afk disrupt is botters. If they disrupt anyone else then you just psyched yourself out over a phantom threat.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 09:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 19/08/2011 09:27:28 Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 19/08/2011 09:18:50 Originally by: Tokyo Rose Alternately you could just pve with cheap insured ships and not give a rats arse about the afk cloaker if he turns out to be hostile with a fleet waiting to cyno in on your ratting raven or mining covetor. Okay, "let the enemy destroy your ship", another reasonable idea from the fertile mind of Tokyo Rose. What? Why would any nullsec rats destroy your ratting raven? It has more than sufficient tank and gank to pwn even an officer spawn. As far as mining and having the rats pwn u wtf are you doing in a belt when exploration has much much much greater rewards for mining with nearly zero threat from rats. Edit: you changed rats to enemy ships you sly dog. Still thats the whole point of doing pve in a cheap insurable ship. If the afk cloaker actually turns out to be a real threat then they will grow bold on kills that cost you nothing. Thats when you set the trap. But then again this is atlas we are talking about and thats probably well beyond their abilities. Someone needs to direct an atlas rep to this thread so they can either remove this genius from the alliance or stop him from posting.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 09:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Thornat I really don't understand what your after to be honest. I'm going through your post trying to figuire out what part of evading, trapping and dealing with cloakers you have trouble with. I mean if you think a cloaker is in a system, move to the next system. or "let the enemy destroy my ship and just try to mitigate the cost as much as possible". Why is so offensive to some to point out that the cloak is effectively an invulnerability button under the current EVE game mechanics? Its not mitigating the cost of your ship that is the goal. Its letting the hostile grow accustomed to killing ships that make him vulnerable to a trap. Is losing your cheap insured pve ship such a huge deal that you can't see the bigger picture. I mean really, does the killboard mean that much to you? Also every ship in the game that can cloak loses its invulnerability as soon as it tries to act. So please for the love of god and your alliance reputation just stop posting now.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 09:43:00 - [11] Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 19/08/2011 09:49:05 Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Continue elaborating your really bad idea. Continue not getting it. We have all night. edit because he edited. Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 19/08/2011 09:43:07 Continue elaborating your really bad idea. It's like the "standing anti-AFK cloaker fleet", but includes the losses of several ships as a prereq. I am intrigued, do continue. Ok lets spell it out for you in simple easy to understand terms. If your afk cloaker turns out to be an actual hostile threat you bait him with easy kills that do nothing to your bottom line past a few losses no one cars about on the corp killboard. Once he is feeling safe you pull the trigger on the trap. How is this so hard to understand?
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 09:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara In my system 3 SB stay cloacked 23/7.. 1h (randomly) a day they attack ships they can destroy easly. The rest of the time pirates are using the main account to play elsewhere. AFK Cloaker harmless? Hypocrisy and Lies If you know that in your system there are three sb waiting to kill easy prey why is there still easy prey to be had? How do you guys keep your sov up if something as simple as this is beyond your ability to counter?
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 10:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 19/08/2011 10:12:51 Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 19/08/2011 10:02:09 Originally by: Tokyo Rose Ok lets spell it out for you in simple easy to understand terms. If your afk cloaker turns out to be an actual hostile threat you bait him with easy kills that do nothing to your bottom line past a few losses no one cars about on the corp killboard. Once he is feeling safe you pull the trigger on the trap. How is this so hard to understand? Here's the flaws in that scheme. There's no real "trap" that counters say a covert cyno hot drop other then having a standing fleet of your own. Having a standing fleet of several people waiting idly for one person who might be 5-6 hours before he gets on the keyboard (if at all that day) is absurd and impractical. But let's say I get him, I've fed him several BS's to do it and used a vague "trap" that I spent like 10 hours per day over the course of several days in preparation to spring on this one guy, ignoring everything else happening in the alliance to do this, but it succeeded and he's gone. He shows up half an hour later in the exact same cheap ship cloaked up and AFK again now aware of this trap, whatever it is. Now what? If your cheap insured ships are getting killed by a no longer afk cloaking hostile then it seems to me forming a standby fleet to pwn him or whatever he cynos in has an excellent chance to get some action. If your cheap insured ships are not getting killed by the afk cloaker then there is no need to form a standby fleet to begin with. I'm getting the distinct feeling you are simply trolling now. Originally by: Jemima Puddle**** Defending your own territory is too hard. Being expected to fight for it is unreasonable. Much better to ask CCP to come and take the bad people away. Sadly enough this seems to be far too often the case nowadays.
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.19 10:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Originally by: Signal11th I know how annoying this can be but I never really found it that much of a hardship. It was one of the many prices I paid for living in 0.0. I just got on with it to be honest. It was something I expected to happen and whne it did I made alternative ways to make money. Yeah, whole swarms of dedicated AFK cloakers like Noir. and DNS would blanket regions during the Catch War. You kind of have to find alternative ways of making ISK (actually I just ratted in unclaimed systems, but whatever). But just because I can deal with it doesn't mean I have to like it. So someone was more dedicated than you? Sorry mate but thats not an excuse to petition ccp to change core game mechanics.

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